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« on: July 27, 2006, 09:27:58 AM »

I am aware that people out there claim to be vampires, my first thought is are they dead? Because throughout history Vampires, Lamia, Sanguisuga nad many others require you to die first before you can become one.
In many cases the original vampires were nothing more than glorified Zombies who had special magical powers. The ability to bring plague and superstrength. Bram Stoker is the one responsible for giving Vampires human form in popular culture. And by accident became the father of the Dilution of the legends, vampirism was never virual. Corpses can't turn into werewolves, vampires don't procreate, oh and my favorite Judas has nothing to do with it.
Anyone can get nourishment from blood, it is the way our body carries the viatmins and minerals and air through our body. So if you are a vampire (not psi) prove to me how it is pluasable that you exist out of nowhere against all myth.0
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2006, 09:10:22 PM »

How do I begin...

Alright, let's first start with your opening title, posed as a question.  Vampires are indeed real, just not the type of creatures that legends point at.  I could go on for quite a long time talking about all the different legends, dating back to pre-Christ and ranging in areas from Mesopotamia, Egypt, tribal Africa, all over Europe, and even Asia.  These undead vampire legends I shall label the immortal vampires.  They rose from their graves due to various circumstances relating to the area of myth, they had magickal powers, they lived extraordinarily long lives, they returned to their graves to sleep after draining their victims dry, etcetera.

As for Bram Stoker, I'm not even going to start.  He wrote an incredibly good piece of fiction that future enthusiasts with poor judgment gobbled up as truth.  Nothing more.  I am not going into werewolves here either.  As for Judas, I agree.

Now is where I am forced to start picking apart your statements.  I apologize in advance if you are in any way offended by this.

Alright - blood.  Your statement that "Anyone can get nourishment from blood" is false.  Yes, as you pointed out, blood carries oxygen from the lungs to keep the muscles from producing too much lactic acid and breaking down; and yes, food digested from the stomach carries vital nutrients to the rest of the body to keep it functioning.  But, consuming blood by oral means for normal people is, for the most part, a waste.  The hydrochloric acid in the stomach breaks down the blood, and with the exception of a few useful vitamins such as iron, the rest is passed on as waste.  A vampire gains their energy from not the blood itself, but the energy within the blood.  Call it chi, chakra, or simply a life-force if you will, the vampire is able to extract the energy from the blood and absorb it into their own body for use.

The vampire uses this energy to replace what energy he or she uses through simply living.  Some vampires are able to use special abilities, if you will, but doing so uses up this energy, resulting in the vampire needing yet more energy to replace what was lost.  This, of course, is followed up by a series of setbacks certain vampires have, including increased sensitivity to sunlight and/or being easily tired after physical exertion.

The modern-day vampire I like to call the mortal vampire.  They are not immortal, and they live otherwise normal, if not maybe longer lives.  These vampires are not undead, and they do not hold to true to most myths about vampires, including mirrors, garlic, running water, and all of the like.  As for explaining these vampires, I would like to think that it is some rare recessive hereditary-based genetic disorder, not much unlike the Porphyrias.  Being hereditary, it can be passed down through bloodlines, but it is very common to skip one, two, or several generations at a time, being a recessive gene.

I am a vampire, and have done quite a bit of research on the subject of vampires.  I myself am sensitive to sunlight - I don't burst into the flames like so many would believe, but I do burn extremely easily, such as under 15 minutes.  I am required to wear sunglasses when outside as the sun will temporarily blind me for 15 to 30 minutes while my eyes adjust.  By that time I would burn anyway, so I try to avoid the sun altogether.  When I am forced to be outside for any reason, I where closed-toed shoes, long pants, long-sleeved shirts, a wide-brimmed fedora to block the sun, and gloves to cover my hands.  Yes, it is that bad for me.  Most other vampires are barely bothered by it.  In addition, I have increased agility and reaction speed, resulting in my increased liking of martial arts and ninjutsu.  My eyesight is normal, but I can often hear higher frequencies than most people.  I have a above-average strength for my body type and gym experience, but that's about it.  Most people sport other such abilities, some none at all.  But all modern vampires share one thing, and that is the need to consume blood for the energy it yields.

I do hope I have addressed everything that you were looking for.  If you have anything else to say or ask, feel free to respond.

-Alexander du Galle
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2006, 02:47:34 AM »

Nope still sounds like BS to me, but rather than just say it. allow me to pick apart your statment.

 I am sentive to sunlight, would infact wear sunglasses all the time except I keep losing them. People with light eyes are generally senstive to sunlight.

http://www.mdsupport.org/library/blulight.html

And what you said about some vampires being senistive to sunlight and others not is normal for everyone. I do not sunburn easily my wife does very quickly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanin

Next comments increased reactions and agility compared to what? An olympian the average person? A cheetah? Your ability to hear is also nothing new.

What is hyperacusis?     
     Hyperacusis is a term to describe over-sensitivity or hypersensitivity in hearing. When the brain processes hearing information, and enhances the tinnitus signals, it may do the same thing with outside sounds, particularly those that "sound like" the tinnitus. This results in oversensitive hearing, or hypersensitivity. It is present in 60% of those who have troublesome tinnitus. However, it can also occur without tinnitus and in people with completely normal hearing.    
     

You could jhust have a non severe case of hypersensitive hearing or just know how to listen, after all humans only hear what the brain chooses not to supress.
Lots of people are stronger than they look. You'll need something more than just a little strength increase. Proof where is your proof?
Psi vampires feed of life force. You claim that you need the energy yeilded from the blood, well I think that is an excuse, for everyone except Celiac Syndrome
http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2435507&postcount=2

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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2006, 07:44:35 AM »

Yes, light-eyed people would be sensitive to sunlight, I indeed already know that.  But I have dark brown eyes, which throws away that excuse right then and there.  Yes, burning easily in the sun is common to non-vampires as well.

As with increased agility and reaction-speed, I mean compared to someone else with the average height, weight, and age.  That should have been obvious in my statement - not an Olympian. And comparing humans to cheetahs is just ridiculous - there is no comparison.

And hyperacusis is a real condition, but do you have any idea how rare that is without tinnitus? Very.  For as many people that claim to have this ability without tinnitus is an incalculable impossibility.  Of course, they could just be lying.  And as for strength, I do not mean a little strength increase.  I mean I can lift almost two times my weight on a regular basis.

My point being all these symptoms in one person by just the conditions you named are against the odds by millions.  I am not saying it could not happen, but the major driving force behind my belief in what I am is the need for blood and the energy it yields.  I have no idea what you mean when you say that is an excuse, but I can tell that I do not have Celiac Syndrome, nor any of the Porphyrias, being a related condition.

As for proof, there is no conclusive proof that vampires exist - also as there is no conclusive proof that anything else on this site exist at all, with the exception of the stupid people.  If there was conclusive proof, a thesis would have been written and turned in to medical authorities to acknowledge their presence.  My intention is not to present proof to you that I, or vampires in general, are what they are.  I don't feel the need to prove to anybody other than myself that I exist.  I am simply providing information that I have gathered throughout the years, and opinions and theses formulated from those endeavours.

-Alexander du Galle
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2006, 04:51:31 PM »

So you don't have hyperacusis big deal your brain may still supress less background noise than other people. Have you been tested?
I meant proof of YOU. If you can lift two times your wieght prove it, why arernt you in the guiness book of records, if you have superhearing prove it. And quicker reactions compred to the average person is nothing because reaction speed is like sun sensivity some people have it, some dont others inbetween. The other thing is you be tuaght agility and increased reflexive speed.

I am not asking prove vampires exist, I am asking prove you're a vampire rather than a person with a blood fetish and a need to justify it. If you can prove you are a vampire then obviously these "mortal" vampires exist. But it just sounds to me like you took a legend a changed it to jusitfy yourself. If "mortal" vampires always existed then why are there not legends and myths about them?
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2006, 03:19:17 AM »

The difficulty here (and if I had a dollar for every time this comes up here I'd have enough to pay for a decent round of drinks) is proving something a)paranormal and b) over the internet. Necro, as the situation stands Alexander can no more prove to you his condition of being than you can prove to me that magick is real or I can prove to anyone here that God exists.

Some things you just have to accept or choose not to: harping on about empirical proofs doesn't move the discussion any further forward.
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2006, 04:41:32 AM »

The difficulty here (and if I had a dollar for every time this comes up here I'd have enough to pay for a decent round of drinks) is proving something a)paranormal and b) over the internet. Necro, as the situation stands Alexander can no more prove to you his condition of being than you can prove to me that magick is real or I can prove to anyone here that God exists.

Some things you just have to accept or choose not to: harping on about empirical proofs doesn't move the discussion any further forward.

The thing is he can, I would accept video evidence, copies of medical reports about him, article written about his abnormal or above average physiological capabilities. All this can of course be aquired. Comparison tests done at labrotories about how fast or strong or his inability to deal with sunlight or hearing. It is all good.
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2006, 04:55:53 AM »

Hm. Okay, but what proof can you offer me about the reality of magick?
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2006, 06:45:21 AM »

The thing is, that my strength is nothing superhuman.  Weightlifters can lift way more than me at even college level, that isn't even close to Guinness Book standards - and suggesting so is just silly.  Track runners can run faster than me.  Black belts in ninjutsu have quicker reaction speeds and more agility than I do.  It is nothing that is beyond explanation.  My point is that, for the average person that has never worked out in a gym, run on a track team, or completed anything higher than a couple belts in a martial art, as is my experience, I surpass them by far.  I am positive these attributes could be increased if I wanted to hone them.  And right now, I don't have the time.  I work two jobs at 14 hours a day.

As for hearing, I have been tested.  I have more acute hearing.  That is about it.  I don't feel the need to prove myself to anyone, and even if I did, I would definitely not be releasing my medical reports to the general public.  That is just plain stupid.  As for video evidence, I'm not so full of myself to gather people out to videotape me running and jumping around.  The same goes for articles - I like to keep to myself and I would prefer such articles not be written.

As for a blood fetishist, I actually thought about the same thing when I first started to realize what I was.  And there is a short and simple answer to that.  Blood fetishists always enjoyed blood in one way or another, and when they formed a fetish of it, that liking was transformed into something more.  When I realized I was what I am, I hated blood.  I didn't like the site of it, I didn't like the taste of it, and I didn't like the smell of it.  I had to force myself to become accustomed to it.  I have never seen a blood fetishist hate blood then suddenly like it.

As for mortal vampires, they were the vampires that already existed.  People were just afraid of what they did not understand and made up stories about them to make them appear to be more undead than anything else.  Such is the path myths take.

As for proof, I can't prove I am what I am - and I don't care.  I do not feel the need to prove to you or anyone of what I am.  If you don't believe me, so be it, I couldn't care less.  Unlike some people, my self-image does not rely on whether people accept my views - another person that does not agree with me isn't going to change anything.  I am simply supplying as much information as I can for the purpose of being helpful.

-Alexander du Galle
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2006, 02:52:09 PM »

Hm. Okay, but what proof can you offer me about the reality of magick?

Actually I am of the belief magic moy or may not exist, I don't know, I am willing to accept I am delusional or just need it as a crutch. Everyday I question whether magic is real or I am just being stupid and wasting my time. UNfortunately even with all my doubts, I still have faith in it, the gods know why. I dont think any spell I have ever cast has worked and I doubt most magic as fake. I would also accept evidence that would prove the existance of magic, but that seems in short supply.
Hel any proof would give ME peace of mind. Do you know what it is like when everyday is the Dark Night of the Soul?

Alexander, So you say you have all these sideeffects from being a vampire, but you admit then that nothing about you doesn't fit the normal and that any non vampire could do these same things. So you have no proof except for something that could be psychological?
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2006, 07:30:49 AM »

That's right.  For all I know it could be psychosomatic. I just find that hard to believe being through 5 psychiatrists and each one pronouncing me healthy as a bean, physically and mentally.

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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2006, 10:13:40 AM »

The thing is, that my strength is nothing superhuman.  Weightlifters can lift way more than me at even college level, that isn't even close to Guinness Book standards - and suggesting so is just silly.  Track runners can run faster than me.  Black belts in ninjutsu have quicker reaction speeds and more agility than I do.  It is nothing that is beyond explanation.  My point is that, for the average person that has never worked out in a gym, run on a track team, or completed anything higher than a couple belts in a martial art, as is my experience, I surpass them by far.  I am positive these attributes could be increased if I wanted to hone them.  And right now, I don't have the time.  I work two jobs at 14 hours a day.

As for hearing, I have been tested.  I have more acute hearing.  That is about it.  I don't feel the need to prove myself to anyone, and even if I did, I would definitely not be releasing my medical reports to the general public.  That is just plain stupid.  As for video evidence, I'm not so full of myself to gather people out to videotape me running and jumping around.  The same goes for articles - I like to keep to myself and I would prefer such articles not be written.

As for a blood fetishist, I actually thought about the same thing when I first started to realize what I was.  And there is a short and simple answer to that.  Blood fetishists always enjoyed blood in one way or another, and when they formed a fetish of it, that liking was transformed into something more.  When I realized I was what I am, I hated blood.  I didn't like the site of it, I didn't like the taste of it, and I didn't like the smell of it.  I had to force myself to become accustomed to it.  I have never seen a blood fetishist hate blood then suddenly like it.

As for mortal vampires, they were the vampires that already existed.  People were just afraid of what they did not understand and made up stories about them to make them appear to be more undead than anything else.  Such is the path myths take.

As for proof, I can't prove I am what I am - and I don't care.  I do not feel the need to prove to you or anyone of what I am.  If you don't believe me, so be it, I couldn't care less.  Unlike some people, my self-image does not rely on whether people accept my views - another person that does not agree with me isn't going to change anything.  I am simply supplying as much information as I can for the purpose of being helpful.

-Alexander du Galle

~I'll guess then we'll never have some certain stuff or a solid wall to rely on so many theories 'bout vampirism undecided!! , the puzzle is getting bigger and so on! , but... I'll support you an admire you ;  it's certainly wise to keep invisible to human sight , all touched by the hand of mankind is destroyed , so go on , there's nothing sweeter than freedom itself!

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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2006, 09:36:51 PM »

There is no true anwer to if Vampires are real you know! Even though if you have an atraction to blood, and feel power, you could be just going crazy! Tongue
Shapeshifting, thats what I need.want to know. But a bat? What the fudge? Do you believe somthing that wieghts arounf 200 pounds can turn into a mld little bat? There is somthing wrong with that! I do believe shapeshifting. Just not in drastic mesures as so. Maybe they grow wings, or already have them, and develop fangs... its a mystry left unsolved...bat
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2006, 12:17:25 AM »

If you believe in vampires you make them real, regardless of the fact they do exist or not.
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2006, 12:00:32 AM »


Vampire Sightings in Otero County

Illegal immigrants trying to sneak into the United States through southern New Mexico face a host of obstacles, from brutal heat and unscrupulous smugglers to the sharp eyes of the Border Patrol. But recently, a new peril has emerged: vampires. Since September, the Alamogordo office of the Border Patrol has taken over a dozen reports from illegal immigrants who claim to have encountered vampires. "Some of these people were pretty frightened," acknowledges Dan Jimenez, Chief of the Border Patrol's Alamogordo Sector. "One guy told us vampires dragged away two of his friends." Most of the alleged sightings have taken place in eastern Otero County, an area known in the migrant community as the "Journado Del Muerto," or "Journey of Death," because of its harsh terrain. While Chief Jimenez has asked his officers to practice extra vigilance, he isn't ready to break out the garlic and crosses just yet. "Unfortunately, we have bandits living in those mountains who will rob anyone coming through the area. Some of these guys, in the right light, they could pass for vampires."


I don't know how you should react to this sighting.  It's quite intriguing but you try to judge whether it is true or not. 

When I hear vampires in Mexico , I can't help but remember the flick "  From dusk til dawn'...



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