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Mr. Maggot
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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2006, 06:01:55 AM »

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couple, divorce usually occurs if the wife is cheated on, but what if it was two wives there is no betrayal anymore.... I may agree with you but how would YOU feel if your wife had a second husband? A third? A fourth? (Even if you're not married..) Yes, but SOME marriages are not based on romantic love, doesn't mean ALL are, we are all human afterall but that is just my opinion

Well, I can say with much confidence that most men in the East don't have to fear the possibility you mentioned, given that they are the bread-winners, the ones that support women on their shoulders.  Hence the reason why it is men who take on multiple spouses, and not women.  With regard to romantic love, it simply CANNOT provide the foundation for any long-lasting marriage by itself. People eventually grow sick of one another after spending most of their adult life together. That's a fact as certain as death.   So be smart and get into a union with someone who can provide for your needs, and those of your future children, someone who can be depended upon for more than roses


And sometimes I find myself questioning the worth of the phenomenon known as the Working Mother. When these women loose themselves completely in their high-flying careers,  I find myself worrying for the emotional well-fare of their children. A mother needs to understand where her first priority should lie
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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2006, 06:15:07 AM »

Interesting.

Between a rich man who is a heartless bastard (not that every rich man is) to a guy who has enough to live but loves me, I'd prefer the poor one. Not only I'm going to die young anyways, people should choose someone for who they are, not to what they have. Ok, not much people would say the same but that's just me.
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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2006, 06:29:00 AM »

I do realize of course, that it is important to choose someone with whom you can get along reasonably well, if not for your sake, then at least for the children's.  My main point of contention is that to make any decision based on feelings of mutual attraction alone would be suicide. After all, you would agree with me that by allowing yourself to be romanced into marrying someone who is unable to provide you and your future children with the fundamentals required for a comfortable life, you would be doing both yourself and them a disservice.
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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2006, 06:45:36 AM »


 After all, you would agree with me that by allowing yourself to be romanced into marrying someone who is unable to provide you and your future children with the fundamentals required for a comfortable life, you would be doing both yourself and them a disservice.


Too true, but I'm a sentimental pisces-girl. But if neither me or the man can't assure a better future EVEN if the both of us were in good careers, ... I dunno, it depends. (Where can someone marry rich people anyways?) I'm meduim class level - not rich, not poor - it's enough to live.

People only have children if they want to these days -  though if I even can afford it, I'd suppose adoption a good idea. (You can throw stones at me but I'm not fond enough of children)
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phyrrestar
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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2006, 07:59:50 AM »

The thing is, if you really do love someone and have a strong working relationship with them you will make it work to provide for your family.  For example, I would never marry a man I didn't love and wasn't going to until I die, but in order for me to do that they would have to be willing to provide for the family first.  True romantic love does not die over the years, my parents are a perfect example of that.  People don't have to get sick of each other just as good friends don't.  Lust dies, attraction merely to appearance dies, lack of communication will make something die, as will lack of honesty.  If both party members are willing and actively working to make themselves better, compromising for their partner, learning about one another, and telling the truth of how they feel this can continue into a life-long relationship and they will raise a good family as well.  Money does not make a good family.  Some of the best I know are quite poor, but they have morals and a strong family connection.  Parents that love each other and love their kids make the best combination.  They'll do what it takes to survive and come out on top.  Money alone without the love is pointless and often makes a horrible life for their children.  Parents that love each other and have a healthy relationship let the kids grow up to be the same way.

And as far as working moms...well, I'd say at a certain age, it's a bad idea.  However, as the kids grow older either the mother or father can stay at home and keep with the kids from time to time.  After all, a big problem is kids feeling distant from their fathers because they're at work all the time.  And then later the kids go to school, so it is perfectly reasonable(and a good idea) for both parents to work.  This will also give female children the opportunity to see that they can be better than the media image of sexuality all around them.  If I have a girl, she'll be raised on science, math, American Girl dolls, fantasy, sci-fi, and anything that she finds interest in.  As a woman who is going down a path as an engineer, I know how difficult it is without the proper upbringing, which consists of a strong female figure  and a father who encourages their daughter to pursue the intellectual.

I apologize for any typos and nonsensical sentences in advance.  I wrote that pretty quickly because I feel strongly about it now that I've gotten into a working relationship that looks like it will be very long term.  I had my eyes opened to the families around me and their workings and how that in turn affected their kids.
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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2006, 10:46:38 AM »

Ok, one person here 'got lucky'. All I see people falling into nowadays though is lust. People dream about 'love at first sight'; not realizing that what they're dreaming of is nothing more than lust. Lust over the years has been cleaned up and given a new image to make it look like love. Add onto this the fact that mothers have insisted on going back to work and thus concentrate almost entirely on those jobs instead of their children, and you have a splendid recipe for the failure of a family. Someone must be home with these children each day. A lack of parental guidance and presence is what allows them to become delinquents. It also shows them that their parents care more about money than they do their own children.

I know some of the folks who've been here for a minute are going to think that I'm speaking from my own experience but, I'm speaking from what I've seen since I was a kid. The kids who invariably got into trouble, had no parental guidance after school or on weekends. The best adjusted kids had a stay-at-home mom who was able to guide and RAISE them because she was there.

I know this is slowly getting off-topic though, so allow me to bring it back.

I see women all the time making doe-eyes at some 'hott-boi' with a silver tongue, only to have their heart broken after he gets what he wants and dumps her. I've stopped counting all the different female acquaintances and friends who've called me, sometimes at 0300 crying over this very phenomenon. They always, and I do mean ALWAYS ask, "What did I do wrong, he was so NICE?!"

No matter how many times I tell them exactly where they went wrong, they still do it again and again. I've washed my hands of them. If you're going to put your hand in the fire after it's already burned you - I have no pity for you.

What do they do wrong? They let a BOY, note I did not say man here, flirt with them until their defenses were down. The simplest rule is the best ladies: If he seems to good to be true, he probably is to good to be true. If he says all the right things, never makes a wrong move, flirts like a pro, etc., chances are he's a self-centered flake who has his mind on conquest only.

That being said; I don't flirt. I'll talk to you, and if I talk to you for more than five minutes and I don't already know you, I like you. That method seems to work beautifully. In five minutes you can tell if someone is worth even bothering to be friends with, assuming you pay attention to what they SAY instead of what they LOOK like.
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Sick_Angel13
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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2006, 11:11:58 AM »

Precisely, which goes to show that appearances doesn't matter.

So I wasn't wrong all along. grin Kiss
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phyrrestar
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« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2006, 12:17:35 PM »

Quick note, because parents work does not mean they can't guide and raise their kids.  Both my parents work(my mom didn't until after I had gotten through pre-school), but they were home at night and active in my school life as well as personal life.  They showed they cared.  That's what really matters.  It's the parents that don't care that are the problem, not ones that simply work.

Back on topic, it just means you'll have to be patient, SA.  I never got into a real relationship until college because I did my best not to get suckered in by good looks and a charming smile, and so far the one I've been in has been wonderful.  Flirting can be useful, especially if you're not looking for the long term, but the most successful *relationships* seem to come when there is a strong, friendship bond between the two.  It may be forged quickly, and may be spurred on by some mild flirting, but it still has to develop.  That means you'll probably argue and fight as well as having a loving relationship, just like any friend would.  Too many people forget the "friend" in boyfriend and girlfriend.  Flirting is an effective way to subdue and satisfy urges, but not something to base a strong relationship from.

I've had enough girls (and guys) coming running to me, too, about "nice guys" who are too blind to see what's right in front of them.  It's amazing what power some smooth words can have on the desprate, insecure, or unsuspecting.  Flirting is fun, can be exciting, but can also be used as a rather cruel tool against certain people.  That's why my friends usually only flirt as a joke with other friends who *know* they're joking and have no interest in them.
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2007, 01:19:09 AM »

Meh. i know the feelin Chronos. my amigas used to come to to me when they got dumped. the most scrwed up ones were when you know the guy personally and s**t like this happens after a relativly long relationship  it gets even sadder when you're a hopeless romantic yer self and everyone seems to be getting a relationship while you are stuck reading fanfictions because you have yer heart set on someone and can't bear to try your luck on someone else. because of multiple stupid reasons........... ok focus. nevermind. angry


Super late pointless post.

BTW. what happened to phyrrestar anyway?



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