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Author Topic: What do Christians really think of satanists?  (Read 9431 times)
Sick_Angel13
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2006, 01:28:42 PM »

Tell me something, what do you call a person with no religion? I forgot.
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phyrrestar
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2006, 01:35:27 PM »

Well, a person who doesn't believe god exists is an atheist, and one who believes that god's existence cannot be proven or disproven is an agnostic.  God in this case meaning any sort of divine being/divine diety.
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2006, 01:43:46 PM »

Darken,

The Biblical principle that Christians are to follow is love the sinner hate the sin.  For those people who are non-christian, whether they be Satanists or Pagans or Mormons or atheists or what ever, we are to witness to them in a loving and compassionate way.  We are NOT to belittle them but to pity them and remember what we were like before we came to Christ. 

It is a little different for christians who have backslidden or claim to be a christian and bear no fruit.  We are to go to them and lovingly confront them about their wrong doing.  If they continue, we are to get some elders and go back to them again.  If they still continue, the church is to have nothing to do with them until they repent.

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Sick_Angel13
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2006, 01:54:17 PM »

Well, a person who doesn't believe god exists is an atheist, and one who believes that god's existence cannot be proven or disproven is an agnostic.  God in this case meaning any sort of divine being/divine diety.

Oh no now I have to choose? I'm divided to each alternative, my father is agnostic but believes in a sort of life force which I really didn't understand, more like cientifically. And no I'm not Satanist, though I must confess I studied a bit about this religion as well as the known religions that exist today.

Er, you call can throw tomatos at me but in my opinion God is dead and Satan doesn't exist, don't know why and how but I got a feeling it was a long time ago. Questions? Fire away.
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krollusk
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2006, 01:40:45 AM »

Well, seeing as how none of you actually seem to know what Satanism actually is, I'll explain. I hold many Satanic beliefs myself, but do not consider myself one, seeing as how I disagree with some of their beliefs.
The Church of Satan is basically a spiritually-oriented sect of Angosticism. They believe that there is no God anywhere that is more important than themselves. The Self is most important, and all parts of the self, such as Family and such. They tend to be pretty wrathful and arrogant, and The Church has turned into a money-amking operation, but that's beside the point. They are based on the belief that it doesn't matter whether or not there is heaven or hell, you have to live for the moment, and live a life of indulgence, not abstinence. Satanists also believe in responsibility to the responsible, and abolition of equal rights and expectations, for equal rights leads to promotion of mediocrity, and destruction of individuality and excellence. Children and animals are considered the epitome of excellence, and as such, to mistreat or harm a pure being in any way is considered one of, if not the, greatest sin of all. Read the Satanic Bible if you have some moronic belief about animal sacrifice. Basically, the whole thing is a mix of Humanism, paganism(without any gods or sanctimonious bulls**t white magic) and agnosticism(without so much self-righteous neutrality) There is lots of selfishness involved, but justified selfishness. Oh, and Satanists (At least LeVeyan Satanists) don't believe in an actual Satan, they just use his name as a symbol of their rebellious, questioning, and selfish nature. Oh, and they have a dark sense of humor, and like to piss off Christians. No devil-worship here, despite what many of you might think.
For more information, read the Satanic Bible. I can almost guarantee your local library has it (Unless you live in the bible belt, or Kansas, you poor, unfortunate motherfarker.)


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Sick_Angel13
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2006, 04:47:40 AM »

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In short, Krollusk's word is far the best I've seen yet. *applause*
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2006, 09:10:12 AM »

Krollusk, I spoke in a general way of Satanism, since that was in my belief what was asked for here. To all who may not be familiar with The Church of Satan. It was indeed ,as Krollusk says, Founded by Anton Zandor LeVey. The tenets and all that he laid out for you are in fact theirs. He's also correct on the Satanic Bible; also know as the Black Bible to some. If you live in the 'Bible Belt', or any of the other predominantly, deeply rooted Christian areas of the world; you will not find it. In many cases in these areas, bookstores won't even order it for you.
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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2006, 09:37:15 AM »

You have a pretty nice explaination there, krollusk.  That said I have a few qualms with a few things you said.

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Well, seeing as how none of you actually seem to know what Satanism actually is, I'll explain.
Actually I think we have a couple people who seem to know that Satansim is.   Just because that much detail wasn't used in our discussion doesn't mean we don't know what it is.  Thank you, however, for going into more detail for those who don't know as much about Satanism.

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Oh, and they have a dark sense of humor, and like to piss off Christians.
I think this is stereotyping a little too much.  Most Satanists I know don't really try to piss of Christians, at least not if they are adults.  More than anything else Christians try to piss off other Christians (which is kinda sad).

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For more information, I can almost guarantee your local library has it (Unless you live in the bible belt, or Kansas, you poor, unfortunate motherfarker.)
Just because someone lives in the bible belt or Kansas doesn't mean they can't get a copy of it.  Not all people are there bible-thumpers there, y'know.  Also, I have some friends from those areas, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't call them "unfortunate motherfarkers".
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2006, 01:01:08 PM »

Here in the Uk there was a TV programme with a satanist on it, he had commited many minor crimes and took part in a show called "bad lads army". This is where they had to go through a stint of 1900's style military service. But as we all know the army is very religious especially back then, so this group of lads was made to go to church once a week.

the practicing satanist however... Broke down into tears when he had to go into a church and attand a service, sing a couple of hymns and say a prayer or two.

My question is to Krollusk, why if he was a practicing satanist, did he break down into tears at the entance to the church. He said something was preventing him from entering but according to your post above they do not beleive in a deity. I realise that his beleifs are of a selfish nature but why, if he does not believe in god did he feel like he had been banished from entering a *house of G-d*?

The reason i ask is that his actions and strong emotions that were provoked by entering a simple building conflict with your post about them not beleiving in G-d or satan.

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krollusk
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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2006, 02:55:50 PM »

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Oh, and they have a dark sense of humor, and like to piss off Christians.
I think this is stereotyping a little too much.  Most Satanists I know don't really try to piss of Christians, at least not if they are adults.  More than anything else Christians try to piss off other Christians (which is kinda sad).

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For more information, I can almost guarantee your local library has it (Unless you live in the bible belt, or Kansas, you poor, unfortunate motherfarker.)
Just because someone lives in the bible belt or Kansas doesn't mean they can't get a copy of it.  Not all people are there bible-thumpers there, y'know.  Also, I have some friends from those areas, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't call them "unfortunate motherfarkers".

On the first one, I was referring to why they chose the name "Satanism" as opposed to something else. I was to create controversy, and generate publicity.

Second, it was a joke. That's just my sense of humor. i sincerely apologize if I didn't make it clear enough.


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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2006, 02:57:14 PM »

Here in the Uk there was a TV programme with a satanist on it, he had commited many minor crimes and took part in a show called "bad lads army". This is where they had to go through a stint of 1900's style military service. But as we all know the army is very religious especially back then, so this group of lads was made to go to church once a week.

the practicing satanist however... Broke down into tears when he had to go into a church and attand a service, sing a couple of hymns and say a prayer or two.

My question is to Krollusk, why if he was a practicing satanist, did he break down into tears at the entance to the church. He said something was preventing him from entering but according to your post above they do not beleive in a deity. I realise that his beleifs are of a selfish nature but why, if he does not believe in god did he feel like he had been banished from entering a *house of G-d*?
The reason i ask is that his actions and strong emotions that were provoked by entering a simple building conflict with your post about them not beleiving in G-d or satan.

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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2006, 03:55:39 PM »

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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2006, 05:32:46 PM »

Well let me just say now. Satan is not a God and you can't expect anything good out of it. Sure he might give you a belt that turns you into an animal or a few extra years of life, but you end up loosing your soul and plunged into eternal damnation of torture and miseray{sp?}. So why worship him?
I am a satanist and you do not know what your talking about that is your opinion but to only know the truth you should be a satanist father satan is the one true god and he and his demons help satanist achieve what they want and desire and at the end of it we are happy and we live in happiness in hell not in torture father would not do this to us.
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krollusk
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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2006, 05:39:10 PM »

It is people like you that give Satanists a bad name. Satan is no god. The word Satan is a meaningless name given to an impersonal primal force. The primal force that leads to hunger, lust, greed, anger, and other such things.
There is nothing godly about Satan. The true Satan is no god, no devil, just a principal. You could call it Bumbdiddlefinkernotch, and it's role would still be the same!! The true "Satan" is the survival instinct that makes you feel lust, makes you feel hungry, makes you feel tired. That is the true Satan that Satanists worship.
Unless you're a "Spiritual" Satanist. And, in that case, I hope your idol worship is working out for ya.  grin
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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2006, 05:43:07 PM »

It is people like you that give Satanists a bad name. Satan is no god. The word Satan is a meaningless name given to an impersonal primal force. The primal force that leads to hunger, lust, greed, anger, and other such things.
There is nothing godly about Satan. The true Satan is no god, no devil, just a principal. You could call it Bumbdiddlefinkernotch, and it's role would still be the same!! The true "Satan" is the survival instinct that makes you feel lust, makes you feel hungry, makes you feel tired. That is the true Satan that Satanists worship.
Unless you're a "Spiritual" Satanist. And, in that case, I hope your idol worship is working out for ya.  grin
I am a spiritual satanist and are you a satanist? You did not say if you are or arent/
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