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Author Topic: What do Christians really think of satanists?  (Read 9430 times)
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« Reply #90 on: April 28, 2008, 02:41:29 AM »
Hm, I dont think that Levey was the one to blame for origins of satanism... remember Crawley?  Anyways, satanist DO believe in Satan, so one can say they believe in God as well, they just dont care for the good old creator, they want his outlawed progenie Lucifer on the throne of everything, why, I really dont know or care.

Christians think of satanist what they think of any other nonchristians, they will burn in hell for their deeds. I must say I agree with them on this matter, cause satanist are not a bunch of goths walking around in black and listening Dimmu Borgir, they DO stuff called rituals that do consist of sacrifice of humans (animals are not such an offer to satan to be worthy)......
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« Reply #91 on: April 28, 2008, 12:35:38 PM »
Satanism has its roots with Crowley but as it is practiced today is due to Levey. They do not engage in human sacrifice, at least those affiliated with the Church of Satan don't.
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« Reply #92 on: April 28, 2008, 07:52:12 PM »
Nina,

What you are saying is true, i believe, but what i am referring to is the church that is (or was) based in San Francisco inspired by the book "The Satanic Bible", by Anton Szandor LaVey, 1969.  What you are speaking of is hard core demon/devil worship, I agree with you that those people are horrible and burning in Hell (and probably the La Vey followers also b/c they reject Satan and God), but its more of a parody.  I saw a documentary about the Church of Satan on History Channel, that's why I know the specific group I am speaking of doesn't believe in anything after this life time.  Its kind of a celebration of  being selfish, modeling your life the way the devil supposedly did, the idea behind it being that the devil knows how to have fun.

**please don't misinterpret what i'm saying, i don't agree with it, i am very spiritual.  i don't go to church, which is bad according to my religion, but i feel that spiritual and religious are different and i'm def. more spiritual than i am religious*** ANYWHO...

The stuff you are talking about with the rituals and crap sounds a lot like the 'Black Magic' of South/Central America.  pagans, don't get mad, i know witches don't hurt animals, they like nature, etc.  i am referring of course to the scary witch doctor types from say Brazil.  Some of them will talk to 'bad spirits' to have bad things happen, like KILL SOMEONE!  no joke.  Ironically, a lot of these sects are rooted in Catholicism as they worship the saints.  I think they are rooted in a mix of African 'witch craft' - i don't like to say witchcraft, i know it offends people, but for lack of a better word- and catholicism.  I heard that Santeria is supposed to be kinda scary, they have animal sacrifices and rituals, but not all of them call on the dark arts or bad spirits.

i guess there are different sects of devil worshippers.  the church started by Anton La Vey in 1969 is quite young, but devil worship I believe has been around for centuries.

**as for animal sacrificing...that is so horrible.  how can anyone do that?  just look at my little snowball in my avatar!  he's all grown up now, but i can't imagine being able to hurt anything cute or furry- or not cute or furry, but regardless, animals are defenseless for the most part and can't cry out for help.  anyone who tortures an animal should rot for eternity*** (and that's the only judgement i'll make)
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« Reply #93 on: April 28, 2008, 10:34:22 PM »
I believe in respecting people's beliefs, but with satanist i avoid them.
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« Reply #94 on: April 29, 2008, 11:03:00 PM »
Scary, that's a very wise policy. Jargo,  you are exactly right animal sacrifice is most common in religions based in central/south america, haiti, & africa. That is another case in which I respect their right to their beliefs but I try to stay out of their way.
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« Reply #95 on: April 30, 2008, 12:22:52 AM »
I belief that the two of you are discussing traditional religions inspire by Vodoun which is an ancient faith that has its roots in sub-saharan Africa. Though animal sacrifice is practiced in many of these rituals, Vodoun is a widely accepted religion in many parts of Africa, co-existing in a syncretic relationship with Christianity and Islam in numerouscases. Many of these so-called with doctors are actually highly respected priests that aid their communites by invoking the ancestral gods or Orisha, which represent various elements in nature and which are believed to attach themselves to certain individuals who then dedicate their lives to honoring the particular deity that has chosen them. These beings are also known as Loa. Nothing sinister or shady about this faith,given that  it's perfectlly legitimate in the eyes of the millions of Africans that seek to honour their ancestral deities.  As for animal sacrifice, I have no objection as long as the animal's death is quick and its flesh is consumed afterwards.   As a non-vegetarian, I cannot deny the importance that the ceremonial offering of blood plays in many old spiritual beliefs. 
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« Reply #96 on: April 30, 2008, 04:10:17 AM »
You think or you know they dont do human sacrifice?

The biggest game of satan is that he convinced people he doesnt exist. Do you think they would come to national televison and say: "Oh, yes, we do a sacrifice in human offering, and we do it on this and that date, on this and that place? Cmmon, wake up people... im not talking about pagans nor wiccans, Im talking about satanists, and yes, they do blood offerings... if you like it better to think they dont, ok, enjoy your sleeping.... satan has big crush in himself, and the best way for giving him what he wants is offering him a life that he cant create. that is his revenge to God. And real satanist know that, and do as told
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« Reply #97 on: April 30, 2008, 08:44:09 AM »
Nina I see your point. Blow-Fly, I understand Voudun uses blood sacrifices & that they are nothing shady. There are however a number of less honorable religions that do not value the sanctity of that sacrifice. Those religions which display a lack of respect for all life are ones which I choose to avoid. It is simply an ethical issue for me. I don't mind someone sacrificing an animal if that is a legitimate part of their religious practice but I do mind if they show no respect for that animals sacrifice. I actually find Voudun to be quite a beautiful religion & have incorporated parts of it into my own practices.
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« Reply #98 on: May 01, 2008, 12:45:46 PM »
Yes, blood is really powerful stuff...... however we are talking about satanisim and  not Voudon.


Please continue, its getting interesting.......
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« Reply #99 on: May 01, 2008, 02:34:54 PM »
To correct myself, when I speak of blood offerings I mean sacrifice of life. That one always considers letting the blood, as life force, out of body. And it is done in horrific ways.
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« Reply #100 on: May 01, 2008, 05:02:53 PM »
So this is a question about a possibly satanistic ritual. Me and a friend have certain visions about stuff that happens later on and she saw some guy chanting something and cut his hand with a knife on purpose and i remembered reading something where this guy was trying to do some ritual to summon a demon. does anyone know about this?
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« Reply #101 on: May 01, 2008, 08:00:52 PM »
Yes, that is among others one way to summon a demon to do things for you.
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« Reply #102 on: May 01, 2008, 10:08:03 PM »
Doesn't the demon start to control the one summoning after a while?
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« Reply #103 on: May 02, 2008, 03:20:55 AM »
Yes
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« Reply #104 on: May 03, 2008, 12:37:24 AM »
Its all about  the stronger will.
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