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carter
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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2008, 12:13:48 AM »

Personally I think the better phrase is "did you choose to be different".Alot of threads & posters here seem to share by way of their postings a feeling of being different or weird as i've seen some write about themselves.There are times when we all may feel "left out of the loop" of society but I think the people here are simply looking for an acceptance that they havent readily gotten in they're everyday lives & this community provides that.I cant really believe that anyone here actually believes they are witches,vampires,werewolves,demonhunters etc..... When we dont feel readily accepted we sometimes create aspects of our lives or personalities that simply arent true in an attempt to massage the pathology of other underlying events.People feel disconnected so they create vampire & elven ancestry or demon hunter blood because it provides an escape from feelings of opression.

Such reports persist and proliferate because they sell. And they sell, I think, because there are so many of us who want so badly to be jolted out of our humdrum lives, to rekindle that sense of wonder we remember from childhood, and also, for a few of the stories, to be able, really and truly, to believe--in Someone older, smarter, and wiser who is looking out for us. Faith is clearly not enough for many people. They crave hard evidence, scientific proof. They long for the scientific seal of approval, but are unwilling to put up with the rigorous standards of evidence that impart credibility to that seal. [Carl Sagan]

                                   
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2008, 05:51:34 AM »

Unfortunately, the very foundation of modern science which is empirical research, cannot play an important role when it comes to validating the claims that you have mentioned. A person's identity is a highly complex matter that is not influenced by external physical factors that can be measured by science. Many here claim a certain indentity simply because of a powerful conviction that they are indeed what they profess to be. The situation being such, they see in certain events or feelings powerful confirmation of their assertions where the rest of us would see nothing but coincidence.
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2008, 01:35:10 PM »

But, this is nontheless a forum. So anything anyone says upon this site could either be real or fake. Figment or paranoia. Yes, i do believe there are ones out there truly living the vampire realm but there are others as Carter stated that are simply here to create a life they wish to live. So we shall let them and and they shall provide freedom for us to speak our minds. Strangers can sometimes be the closest friends.
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2008, 02:20:57 PM »

Now now guys, Not believing in yourself as being what you are makes you something different.

Claiming this s**t you just said earlier Carter is what has made humans, as they are... Weak and pathetic, ants of repeated pattern of life.

If a Sorcerer of sorts would not believe or and know the facts of what he is about to do, and truly become one with his magic and such, he would not be able to do it.

The physical part of the world denies it but it is there. And so are all other monsters whom they claim to be, aswell.  Vampires, Werewolfs, Shamans of the elements, druids and so forth.

But then again, Science is a part of the whole magic phenomenon. Ain't it? Can't some chemicals make your body energized as a werewolf's in transformation?

Make you feel different, harder, better, faster, stronger? (Hahaha)

Ah, anyways. I just can't stand whom is not a believer in the paranormal,
 as it is just another reality for some people. Be it a bad one or good.


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carter
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidenc


« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2008, 05:25:53 PM »

It's not so much a matter of "not believing" you,it's simply that I choose to see the world for the natural beauty it holds without attaching supernatural magic or Gods, demons,afterlifes,Jesus etc... to it.To me the true beauty of life is that it will never come again for us.I think there are people who live what you would call a "vampire lifestyle" but do I believe that undead vampire roam the planet?No. I also believe people have a strong passion or feel a strong connection to wolves but do I believe that a human being can alter his or her physiology or shape shift as you put it.No.Could I believe in alchemy?Of course but I dont believe there are powerful magical spells that exist for people to use & i'll tell you my convictions as to why I dont believe.

In regards to vampires medical science has shown that people cant come back from the dead to feed on the blood of the living.Granted there have been people who were clinically dead & have come back,is it magic?No just something science has yet to explain.Vampire lifestyle?Sure,hey I love Kate Beckinsale just as much as the next guy!

Werewolves-Why I dont believe?Mathematical probability.It would eventually dictate that a so-called creature would eventually be captured or killed at sometime in the 14 billion year history of this planet.I claim to be no expert but I have never seen one empirical documented case that supports the existence of werewolves outside of medical delusion.

Shamans-I belive in healers that use earth materials vs. sysnthesized drugs but that isnt magic & as much as some say empirical science couldnt validate magic,I disagree;forensic science is well equiped to deal with detection of the minute.I will say though that im not opposed to anyone sending me an e-mail with a lottery winning spell.LOL

I think that belief in the paranormal is great for whoever like's it.I find it fascinating myself but the difference is that I want to do it by the scientific method & see the evidence that supports the claim.Have a great weekend to all in the community ,Carter
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2008, 01:19:31 PM »

 What does this Kate person have to do with vampires? And, uhm, who the hell is she?

 I don't believe in everything on this forum, but I do believe in the possibility. I don't know everything that's out there. And I've seen too much to rule things out just because I haven't experienced it. I do try to rule certain things out when I experience something. Like... it's just the wind.. sounds from a house settling... mere coincidence... strange shadow made by a tiny light... I look for reasons behind things. But there are some that I just can't explain. I've tried.
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2008, 03:03:44 PM »

I find it so funny that people liek to waste many countless time on stupid arguements. Most of these people posting are posting their opinions they are not fact. Unless you can prove to me that a werewolf is stalking around in our existance I am not going to argue over it. Whether or not you think its true or not creates the forum. Arguements are the most interesting part of forums thus so many like to include all there little effing opinions and say how almost everyone else is wrong when they are doing the exact same thing.
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2008, 01:09:03 AM »

It appears then that the ''truth'' does indeed lie in the eye of the beholder, subject to the biases and beliefs that allready exist within the individual's mind? Both science and magic serve the same purpose, their existence allowing their respective believers to understand the phenomena that they witness in life. Hence,  it is possible to reconcile the existence of the two, as long as one is subordinate to the other in the paradigam of cause and relation. Is science part of magic as Omnipotent claimed, or is the reverse true? This is probably a question that can never obtain the kind of rigid, faultless answer that empirical science demands. And even forensic science has noted the existence of anomalies that defy the scientific convention on certain matters. Is anything truly written in stone as an immutable truth that cannot be challenged in any possible way?
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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2008, 09:13:42 PM »

Not much of anything we know is etched in stone. And until we can "etch in stone" the beginning of our existance we cant truly explain vampires, werewolves, faeries, shamans, demons, etc. Apart of being human is being curious and questioning came from curiosity. So we as humans, are naturaly going to ask questions on whatever we dont know. Also most of the smart ones choose just not to even question, they just live and let life work its magic.

Werewolves are simply some of the harder things to understand and believe. Many things are possible though and humans dont have to necessarily be the highest on the food chain.
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2008, 10:53:15 PM »

sorry I have to throw in all the time (as most of you know) vampires are not undead. That is a silly superstitious folklore tale derived to explain people with vampiric tendencies and heightened physical differences in a primitive time. A new understanding of those like myself who are vampires have dispelled much of the myths and many here would do well to brush up on the current times because the belief of what the old lore and media depict us as is the way of primitive peoples....time to update your information my friends  cheesy ok I'm done thats my ranting for now  wink
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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2008, 02:33:00 AM »

I could make this very lengthy but I will sum it up in one phrase and allow you guys to tear it apart or appraise it.

"Mind creates matter."
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2008, 01:11:25 PM »

Well well, hmm.

Seems as peoples view on werewolves and such are mostly overly paranormal.
Same as for vampires and so forth.

Shamans and such can be more spiritual then physical in most cases, same goes for werewolves. Or well, for therianthropes atleast.

The vampires can be of the spiritual kind too, as many of them tend to feed and channel energy without people knowing. Sometimes 2-3 at a time.
Myself, i do this without knowing. Suddenly everyone around me is tired and me, healthier then ever. Though i do not label myself a vampire.

I do agree with science being an amazing tool to help one understand the universe and so on, its fun too.
Also as it opposes God, yeah? Hah, im all in for that.

I could answer all your questions about why werewolves haven't been caught, well its basically the fact that werewolves don't really exist the way Hollywood made films about. And thats that. The fear of rejection by people around us is too great if we would not have the ability to control our anger and or the need to give into one animal side.  hehe.

As for vampires, since we are on the vampire forum. Vampires do tend to go all out with the blood sucking, i guess it amplifies the spell and or channel of energy which flows through. I guess its not done that much at modern times but ive heard stories and or have been almost bitten myself. Haha, kinda ironic.
Not that i know much about vampires, then im sorry if the whole concept of sucking blood would improve the energy flow is false.


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carter
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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2008, 01:24:16 PM »

If im understanding this right it seems as if the actual connection to werewolves is spiritual in nature vs. physical.If someone has actual transformation evidence I would love to see it;video,anomalies in blood work,hair,DNA of any kind etc....  Not to mention i've never seen any real causal information to the origins of werewolves of the "animal" kind.Not that im any expert but if the history is 5,000+ years we'd have some kind of fossil record not to mention if it was 35,000+ there would probably exist some type of transitional fossil evidence.Id love to take replys or personal messages from all lycans on their theories & evidence to support the claims.Have a good one,Carter   
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« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2008, 03:29:15 AM »


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Not that i know much about vampires, then im sorry if the whole concept of sucking blood would improve the energy flow is false.

From what I've learned of this subject, it appears that some of those who call themselves vampires insist that blood is the sole source of the energy that sustains them, while others in the community disagree with this notion and have asserted that the majority of vampires will evantually abandon blood as an energy source in favor of more spiritual sources as their abilities develop.
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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2008, 03:23:00 PM »


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Not that i know much about vampires, then im sorry if the whole concept of sucking blood would improve the energy flow is false.

From what I've learned of this subject, it appears that some of those who call themselves vampires insist that blood is the sole source of the energy that sustains them, while others in the community disagree with this notion and have asserted that the majority of vampires will evantually abandon blood as an energy source in favor of more spiritual sources as their abilities develop.

I understand.

Aswell carter, you have not understood what i meant. Being a lycan, therian or any kind of shapeshifter. The shift mostly is controlled and There is not real psychical change. the so called Buff you get from a transformation is mostly spiritual and not physical.

Aswell as you should note when a lycan / Therian dies (we are not immortal, hollywood.. holy s**t lol) Means that we just die as human. Now do you understand? The so called Extraordinary of this in nature, is just a normal part of life which you fail to realize in your mindblown ignorant state of nothing of the paranormal exists.

Now i am not the kind of type to go against anyones ideas and thoughts on a subject and so on.. So just believe what you want, as this will not bug me anymore.
Also no lycan with selfrespect would ever show you the likes of us. And lets leave it at that.


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