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Vivid777
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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2008, 08:51:38 PM »

vivid to be quite honest i feel that i snapped off any of the points you made.Science isnt a mythology as you claim because it doesnt require great leaps of faith to prove it's points.It has the ability to test it's claims that's how it moves from hypoyhesis to proof.Now I didnt obtain a college degree as both I & yourself illustrated but someone such as yourself with an IQ greater than 149 & multipe degrees in; what was it?Demon Hunting & Astral projection/traveling would certainly know this.


Try Quantum Physics.

I'm afraid that there are so many uncertainties in quantum physics though that nothing can ever really get nailed down in black and white. I'ts mostly all probabilities and sums over paths, collapsing wave functions, non-locality and things that exist only as potentialities. All of the old Newtonian Laws of Physics that would probably best surmise your approach were actually knocked down in the 1920s and 1930s, if you haven't heard yet. The universe as we see it turns out to be just a probable case based on statistical averages.

My field of science is not even close to the empirical and logical nature of your your field of expertise in Political Science.

So, whoa whoa, calm down a bit. Our two fields of qualifications naturally do not lead to much in the way of fruitful discourse.

Hopefully you will stop banging away on this thread, giving some time and breathing space for the thread starter to maybe write a couple of posts and obtain some information that can not be furnished by someone like yourself.

And please, by all means, enjoy the rest of this forum. Monstrous, a safe haven for all monsters, as the logo says.

Vivid.
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oldbill4823
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« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2008, 04:11:05 AM »

Ok, whenever I experience a shift of any kind outside my normal mode of being I experience a range of sensations which are kind of standardized. They are as follows;

1.  Initially I find myself getting agitated anxious or uptight. In this state I often don't know why this is happening.

2.  Typically this state intensifies dramatically. I often feel like I am on the verge of a serious illness or intense emotional psychosis completely out of context with  situational experience.

(If I resist this state this is experienced as streams of thoughts peeling away from a continuous core thread of awareness, increasingly bizzarre rationalisations and justifications that collapse unable to cope with the increasing demands made upon their structure. New thoughts try to patch over them but they too are stipped away in a fractal cascade as awareness takes on a new format.)

3.  A moment of complete clarity and calmness. There is often a sense of calm detatched ruthlessness. A mood that reeks of being able to cope with anything, extremes of life and death, the improbable, bizzare perceptual experiences.

(Here the state is best described in normal human terms as psychopathic. There are none of the normal human concerns and issues. Behaviour in this state is not subject to human conditioning. A good indicator of this state is if one is unhappy with something in this state they are just as likely to move away from it as kill it!)

From this state of heightened awareness all sorts of other memories are accessible. In fact all the memories of experiences where this state was reached before.

4.  A general sensation of relief and completeness.



What I describe above is the phenomenological sensation of breaking out of the normal mode of being. The state of completeness and relief is not always the final destination, it is more like a halfway house between normal and ......... wherever the perception ends up.

For the like of the highly rational and sceptical amongst us I'd like to add that  I too am a rational being. I rely on practical knowledge everyday to make a living. I am not a fruitcake. Chances are I will agree with pretty much everything you say re science and paranormal. Its a load of rubbish and can't be proven. But thats just me in normal human mode. Thats where I live the majority of my life. The other stuff has no real place here in normal human interactions. It dosn't fit. If you ask me to prove stuff, I'll aggree with you its nonsense. However there is a part of me that knows there is more out there. Just like there is a part of you thats knows the same things. They key is breaking the grip of tight and rigid perceptual boundaries. What I describe above is what that feels like. Coping with reality on the return journey can be a painful and difficult experience though.

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oldbill4823
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« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2008, 04:22:11 PM »

I forgot to add a couple of other mental/physiological sensations.

5. The sensation of a blow between the shoulder blades, or at least a sudden inverse arching of the upper back.

6. Sudden change in rhythm and depth of respiration. Like a massive clearing of the respiratory function.

7. Mental quietude.

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